Daniel Ostanek is production editor at Cyclingnews, having joined in 2017 as a freelance contributor and later being hired as staff writer. Theres also fitnesssyncer.com that is free up to 4 sync services. I think that point based system is an improvement, but it doesnt address the weight issue. Racing the As resp. How do you actually update your weight on ZP?? I think a once-weekly weigh-in is acceptable. I have no idea. Id be super interested in the timing you set your weight. As a 59/60kg rider who always seems to have a higher w/kg than the people I finish around, Ive been curious about adding 50% to both my weight and http://ftp. Stick a few more kgs on to stop you getting upgraded, would that get you a ban? this is how it is in real life , big ian stannard putting in hard fast miles on the front for (was) team sky , while all the small guys tuck in the peloton getting drafted along saving energy for later on in the race , because they can`t compete on the flat with the big boys . You could attend races where all categories go together (same start, all riders visible) for a while if you find that to be more fun Can someone answer why we need the different categories? The categorization system is, like you say, fundamentally flawed. 5x5min, 4x8min but definitely never longer than 8 minutes. IRL I am 85kgs and cant pretend to be 65kgs. It does the job as described. thanks for the help with the graphs. Yes, but hopefully the system would be designed so, if drop a category then begin doing well, you get upgraded again! Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, When a rider can change categories by modifying their virtual body weight, thats an issue. Ive seen many A Riders with 300 FTP on Zwift who I beat by a HUGE MARGIN at triathlon events, including the cycling portion. But maybe Im just thinking like a lady its hard for me to imagine a lady voluntarily gaining weight, even virtual weight. The 33-pound Hub is 14 pounds lighter than the 47-pound Wahoo Kickr, even though the two trainers are almost exactly the same size. Ill remain skeptical until I see some actual changes. (Its not the only part, of course! I now know of over 20 category D zwift users that have said theyre not going to bother with the Zwift races anymore. It lets Zwift racers and race organisers track results and check out all the details of the races they've participated in, as well as monitoring and analysing their data. While the benefits of being light fully kick in while climbing a mountain (as it is easier for smaller guys to achieve certain w/kg), the benefits of being a tall and strong guy dont fully apply in the flats. Even if Id ridden at threshold a little over 4 W/kg, I wouldnt have been able to hang onto the front in a D race, it seems. Last week I did the prl full and Uber pretzel and tried to get #1 by weight on those segments. As soon as I start pedaling Im pretty much into threshold (around 170bpm). Do you believe weight doping (reverse or otherwise) is a big problem in Zwift racing, and if so, what can be done about it? If other people want to obsess about my weight thats up to them but I wont. That a cat rider may win a d race but on zwiftpower they will be DQd for not riding an A race. But the vast majority do not. Well, imagine youre a strong C racer. On Zwift, weight dopers seek to gain an advantage by entering a lower-than-life weight into their Zwift profile. But It doesnt mean that that person is going to be the person riding the bike on the trainer during the race does it. Now you'll have to head over to ZwiftPower.com and register there. The license would be needed to participate in ranked races, however if you dont have a license, other races would be available to participate in. Privacy Policy, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More). Or are you looking for a participation trophy on every race as well? Makes me happy to see that the community is able to speak with one voice if necessary. I know Ive done it! Todd_S (Todd S) March 12, 2015, 3:09am #4 I'm new to the app. The first way is to head into your profile. For the time being, height and weight will remain visible on ZwiftPower. My performance IRL then probably looks pale compared to when Im racing in Zwift, I use the same power meter on Zwift as I do outdoors and I only push it outdoors during FTP tests and during closed road events (i.e. I have seen riders weighting 56 kgs and week later they are 35 kgs. I used to live next to the Alpe and later, next to the Ventoux. As for the weight, I weight 190lbs, (86Ks) I put in 190lbs. If they keep riders from competing in categories below their ranking, it will reduce the number of sandbaggers and cruisers. Racers who get top 1,2,3 more than a few times get upgraded period. It is obviously a stupid thing ( weight doping) and why a rider would do this is beyond me but pride and quasi Strava bragging or Zwift Power bragging is a thing. See how you can support Zwift Insider! Why not only require weight and height for entry to A and B races? Our expert reviewers spend hours testing and comparing products and services so you can choose the best for you. I think theres another more interesting angle than just trying to stay down a category. USA Cycling has categories that are based on experience and performance. As a relatively light 69kg rider, I often feel at a disadvantage in the flatter races, of which there are many more than hilly ones. I completely missed these as I reinvented the wheel, trying to stir up the hornets nest on the Zwift forums the other day. Someone with my FTP should be CAT B, regardless of weight. Which brings me to todays topic: reverse weight doping. Completing this first step means that you've given permission to share your results and activity history with ZwiftPower, so now all of your performance and race data can be transferred across to the website. They are not, and never were, skill classes of any kind (ie. We like this move from Zwift. Current system means that heavy weight top of cat riders climb at the same speed as skinny guys with same wpk but can have 60% more power on the flats. If you've already created an accountcheck out the s. Check out this FAQ for some of our frequently asked questions: Q:&. In theory (at least) weight dopers could game the results based categories as well. It would be easy to deny it was intentional. Then save your ride and log out. My 3 race FTP is at 4.07w/kg (248w @ 61kg), but Im still in Cat B. ZwiftPower use 95% of your best 20 minutes during the whole race, so it does not matter if the race is 21 min or 3 hours, you will still be categorized the same way. My 3.9w/kg (a new PR!) Im 170cm and currently 61kg with an ideal triathlon racing weight of 59kg. triathlon). How about simply showing a percentage variance. To move up to the next rank, ZwiftPower will take 95 per cent of your 20-minute average w/kg figure from your previous three races. One question I have struggled to answer though which maybe is not a consideration is that on the flat watts is what is required and I also have to push high wkg to stay with groups. Login Required The Zwift Engineering team is focused on improving security for ZwiftPower users. Garmin sets your zones based on your maximum heart rate, while Zwift defines it as 76 to 90 percent of your Functional Threshold Power (FTP), which is the highest power you can sustain for 20 . Share your thoughts below! If its a big hill, well then w/kg has us equalised. At least I can be best in one thing on zwiftpower. 5 year age categories and incredibly competitive a in most age groups, Thanks so much for your helpful comment. That guy who weighs 300lbs and gets 1st place in Cs for a month straight should be automatically upgraded to Bs and Bs to As. That was my first thought when a fellow Zwifter commented on my recent race, Somehow you always get your w/kg down. Privacy Policy, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More). It points to the need for a results-based categorization system, which I discussed a month ago in the final post of my race category series. Im older heavier and relativily fit. But I get beaten by lots of other zwifters, even on flat courses. Im assuming you should weigh just before getting on the bike with all kit including shoes and not just before stepping into the post-ride shower (shorn of all kit and approx 1kg of sweat). And besides, my main goal on Zwift is to not get dropped in the hills during Team Cryo-Gens more hardcore Saturday rides! (and dont do organized rides for fairness) so I dont have resistance changes and sometimes zwift reports extraordinary power readings for a ride. Great drafting skills!, Heres the thing: I probably am a fairly efficient racer, when I want to be. Im a heavy rider at 102kgs and 193cm tall I once reverse doped my weight at the top of the radio tower to try and achieve the 100km/HR badge It had the opposite effect in that I was actually slower than when descending at my actual weight lol I dont race other than against myself so Ive never weight doped as such My observations recently however have created an awareness of how many stick insects ride bikes on zwift . Some people, I think, just have a lower HR. Plus imagine how bigRead more . I would thought with how sensitive the sensors are they could place another one somewhere on the unit that simply does the job and takes away all the manual input. If the categories are split using purely w/kg a lighter rider doesnt have any advantage up the climbs at all. Its ridiculous. Maybe they should display and categorise HR as a %age? The Forerunner 265 series watches have become Garmin's lowest-priced AMOLED display endurance sports-focused watch, coming in at roughly half the price of the Garmin Epix series launched a year ago - but here with full multiband GNSS support on all Forerunner 265 units, while also adding in Training Readiness - a major Garmin endurance sports focused feature. Put simply, ZwiftPower is a community-driven website that complements the Zwift app. Most of my ZwiftRead more . its only cheating myself, instead I would prefer to spend that 2 painful hours doing something honestly and feel proud of it than zooming through it in sub 60m and not reap the same benefits (or in my case, pain). Im 70 inches tall and 156 pounds right now vs 166lb on Jan 1. Then weigh yourself, and open Zwift, and see if it reflects the change. What anyone wants in any game or competition is to feel its fair, and as they look to make changes going forward, I hope people at Zwift always keep asking themselves this question: How can Zwifters see these races are fair?. I never thought i should weigh myself with my kit on. You have lowered your weight and skewed your power graph so it is inaccurate. 2022 Race Like A Pro. hanging with the front group is very though for me because i am exactly at the bridge between A and B. , Myself being a lighter rider who fluctuates some 2kg during a week I tend to always use my upper weight giving me a lower Wkg. This site contains affiliate links to Amazon, Wahoo, and other brands. My guess is that another reason some do it, is because it gives you points on zwiftpower, becauseRead more . Thats the graph. (Same effect in a sprint, just harder to isolate). Now in A i get dropped all the time. 2.5w/kg (215Watts) is hard for me to hold for extended periods but I keep trying. There was a problem. Otherwise I stand by my comment. Their hr should also correspond, which they often dont. There are two ways to do this. It certainly didnt feel like I had taken it easy when IRead more . either a) ur starting ur sprint way too late or b) ur leading him out. Im glad you wrote about this. Generally weigh myself once a month. Tempo Workouts Can Have a Place on Your Training PlanHere's How to As a low to mid-cat rider, ImRead more . Our expert reviewers spend hours testing and comparing products and services so you can choose the best for you. I have been cycling since I was a kid and now close to 50. In spectacular and shocking fashion. Zwift lets you adjust the difficulty of your workout, before or even during your ride. EZ and self regulating. But I also did it because I knew it was great practice! Here it is in its entirety: Last week we outlined a number of planned changes to address harassment and further safeguard the health and wellbeing of the Zwift Community. I recently won a C race, but it didnt feel like winning as I knew there were 2 categories faster. To change your profile to have to log in on the Zwift website and then edit the profile there. there seems to be a lot of variability in power products and what people are using to feed into zwift. Hes not looking for a trophy every race. i was just having a similar discussion with my old lady about watts and weights, etc. It's possible to check just about any kind of Zwift result using ZwiftPower, with the website sortable by leagues, race series and segments. The winners are almost always people with recorded weights sub 70kgs, more typically 65kgs, even 59! Find some hilly races As a result your suggestion of the watts vs w/kg different systems is already baked into the game physics in a way. would that be cheating then ? ZwiftPower - Login Im the opposite. My weight is showing orange everytime. Zwift power usually looks at numbers vs the category race he entered. We can name and shame these few. Even at my age I still plan to compete in MTB races when the world gets back to racing. Hi, very impressive w/kg at 65. See how you can support Zwift Insider! I think the main problem with women and weight on zwift is regular weightdoping, magnified probably by all the wonderful social stigmas and judgment surrounding womens bodies. Had assumed I just rode inefficiently. (better than any bike upgrade i could afford) Yes its great to win,but as long as you improve yourself who cares what anyone else does.You will always get cheaters,dodgy equipment and so on so just enjoyRead more . (ignoring that it evens out and you have the advantage on the hills but lets ignore that because its all about you and you should always podium in every race in your life, because mommy told you that you were special and big mean Zwift is making you work so hard on the flats). People still rode at B level pace in a C group. On a tablet or smartphone, you can download the. I have been frustrated with the GC results in the current Tour of Watopia series. The only place where being heavy helps is on the decent, which are almost all short (except Ventoux and Alpe de Zwift), and as a heavy guy (85kgs) I need to recover on the decent. As Ive posted elsewhere, I like having weight available at my fingertips so I can use it to plan the TTT rotation (I like going heavy/light/heavy/light to avoid the big guys pulling away on flats/descents or the little guys pulling away on climbs, plus one category of rider tends to get exhausted on any given route if I plan my pull times incorrectly, so its nice not having 2 people in a row suddenly need to skip a pull). How doRead more . Hes asking for a fair race. Updating Your Public Profile Zwift takes your physical measurements into account for things like leaderboards, speed, and your avatar's physical appea. If Zwift can be seen to be doing that then very little need toRead more . Additionally, well be moving forward on hiding height and weight from Zwift Companion and Web. I use Zwift to get in shape and prepare for outside riding. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. Why can we just all race together and the fastest person wins? Enforce race category entry and youll fix much of the problems with Zwift racing. It all has to do with the way Zwifts racing categories work. If its not done during a competitive Zwift event, I dont see it as a problem. The default position is midway between "Off" and "Max," or 50 percent of the grade resistance you'd find while riding the same grade of hill in the real world. Take one of our four FTP tests to determine your FTP. Honest mistake on my part and one I wont make again, so fair enough to be filtered outRead more , Related (and apologies if the answer is obvious but Ive only done one Zwift race), really what is the point of the categories? (a is tough and im struggling at max h/r for most of the race).Ive gone from 87kgs to 80 kgs in this time and feel fitter than ever. So I dont expect to be as competitive vs. a pure cyclist. Or weight bonuses for completing events that last for a set amount of days or even hours. Some weight dopers are obvious and blatant other times its much less egregious. what does help identify and stop cheats is formalizing race series and having them use an organization like Zada (whether effective now or not, this is the correct path). It's harder than real racing. Just from riding regularly I went from 166 FTP to 187 in 800 miles over a 2 1/2 months. Yes, we need to be categorized by our race ranking, not power. I did this because I had a particular effort level planned for my workout that day, and didnt want to exceed it. 11 things you only know if you race on Zwift | Cycling Weekly As long as youre being honest with yourself I wouldnt worry about it too much. Daniel has reported from the world's top races, including the Tour de France and the spring Classics, and has interviewed many of the sport's biggest stars, including Wout van Aert, Remco Evenepoel, Mark Cavendish, Demi Vollering, and Anna van der Breggen. was the lowest of top 15 riders. Any thoughts on verifying? But it highlights a bigger problem, and that is the fundamental flaw of using watts per kilo for race categorization. Zwift How-To: Adjusting Your Trainer Difficulty | Zwift Are you efficient, or just heavy? Ugh! Garmin Forerunner 265/265S In-Depth Review: AMOLED in Two Sizes! A great challenge for those looking for those training gains. And as well as your race results, you can check your distance ridden, total metres climbed, power peaks from one second up to 75 minutes, and more besides.
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